Celebrating complexity: Children's talk about the media
Essay Review of Joseph Tobin's (2000).
"Good guys don't wear hats:"
Children's talk about the media. (New York: Teachers
College Press)
Christine Marme´ Thompson
The Pennsylvania State
University
"I believe that the most
original work occurs when a researcher in one field borrows
methods and theory from another field" (Tobin, 2000, p.
ix).
View a 30-second Quicktime movie of Joseph Tobin
speaking
with
a group of young children.
(Note 1)
In the video clip, the children gathered around the
table, a focus group composed of 8-year-old girls, have just
watched a pivotal scene from the movie, Swiss Family
Robinson, depicting a moment in which the well-groomed and
resourceful Robinson clan successfully repels invasion by a
motley band of Asian pirates. The questions under discussion,
posed by Joseph Tobin as researcher, were: Who were the good
guys in this scene? Who were the bad guys? How can you tell?
The answers the children provided were, by turns, predictable and
surprising, puzzling and sobering, pejorative and
sympathetic—complex and contradictory. In "Good
guys don't wear hats:" Children's talk about
the media, Joseph Tobin reveals even greater complexity just
beneath the surface of children's conversations about the
world as it is represented by the media and as it comes to be
understood by children who experience the world to some degree
through these representations.
The study reported here emerged
from Tobin's attempt to understand the ways in which a
particular group of Hawai'ian elementary school students
made sense of several examples of video-for-children, episodes
selected from commercials and films made explicitly for young
audiences. He set out to discover what impressions children
formed of the products of a medium well known to them as viewers,
but remote and somewhat mysterious to them as producers.
Ultimately, with the assistance of Tobin and a small cadre of
graduate students, the children went on to produce videos of
their own. (Note 2)
Over the course of several years,
Tobin and his associates interviewed 162 children, 6- to
12-years-old, in 32 focus groups of 4 to 6 children, with some
groups composed only of males or females and others mixed in
gender. The children were shown clips from current television
commercials and from two movies—The Black Stallion
(1979) and Swiss Family Robinson (1960)—which,
though widely available on videotape, are a generation or more
removed from contemporary children's culture. Tobin
identifies the primary goal of the research reported here as a
search for answers to "questions about how children think
and talk about media representations of violence, gender, race,
colonialism, and class" (2000, p. 3). Because the
children's discussions of the Disney film, Swiss Family
Robinson, proved to be most instructive in regard to these
issues, Tobin elected to focus exclusively in this text on
interviews related to that movie.
The children were interviewed in
sessions lasting approximately thirty minutes. During this time,
they viewed excerpts of videotapes and were then asked to talk
about what they saw, with other children and adult researchers
entering the conversation in a relatively natural give-and-take.
These discussions were videotaped. Tobin mentions that this
round of interviews was repeated the following spring to see
whether a year of involvement in video production had altered
children's attitudes toward these segments of videotape (a
question not explicitly addressed in the book). In at least one
instance, children re-viewed their own videotaped discussions
from years past; Tobin notes that a member of the group gathered
around the library table in the clip featured in this review was
mortified to see herself as a deliberately disruptive second
grader when the group reconvened in their third and fourth grade
years.
The context in which the research
was conducted is, as Tobin points out, both exotic and ordinary.
Koa Elementary School, located in a residential neighborhood
overlooking Pearl Harbor, is situated in an area of the state
experiencing diminshing financial fortunes. When the study began
in1992, one-fourth of the children enrolled qualified for school
lunch assistance. The school population is racially and
culturally heterogenous,with approximately one-quarter of the
students of native Hawai'ian background, one-quarter third
or fourth generation Japanese, Chinese or Korean Americans on at
least one side of the family, and one-quarter recent immigrants
from the Phillipines or Samoa. A handful of White and African
American students, mostly children of military families, comprise
the remainder of the school's enrollment. The key
distinction for the children themselves has to do with who is
"local"—i.e.,born and raised in
Hawai'i—and who is not. Tobin insists that this
setting, much like any other elementary school in North America,
resounds with children's simultaneous participation in the
realms of direct personal experience and the portable community
of mediated experience:
Koa Elementary School is one small
community with a unique mix of people, language, micro politics,
and in-jokes. But this fact does not limit the significance of
the story I tell here, for the world is made up of thousands,
even millions, of such localities, interpretive
micro-communities in which the global media culture is
understood, embraced, resisted, and infused with meanings.
(Tobin, 2000, p.10)
One of many distinguishing
qualities of this research, evident on every page, is the
perspective Tobin brings to his conversations with children and
his interpretation of their responses. This was a school in
which Tobin had established relationships through various kinds
of professional involvement, as a researcher and a university
supervisor of field experiences. This was a context and a
population he knew well, even before this five-year-long project
began. Tobin subsequently spent approximately two days each week
in the school, and he draws liberally on this close relationship
as he considers, then considers again, what the children may have
meant by what they said.
Tobin credits children (both those
individuals who participated directly in this study and children
in general) with intelligence and strength. He positions his
informants as active viewers, capable of divergent,
idiosyncratic, even resistant, responses to the media and its
messages. Tobin maintains that even the most seemingly
"pernicious" content—including the stock
characterizations of good and bad, male and female, self and
other that permeate children's movies and television--has
varying effects depending upon the individual child, the family
and the community who provide and support his or her interpretive
frame. Beyond this he readily acknowledges the power available
to (and used by) children in research situations, who realize
fully that they "can either resist or facilitate our
attempts to know them" (Tobin, 2000, p. 10).
Tobin places himself as a
researcher, appropriately, in the company of Vivian Gussin Paley,
Barrie Thorne, Anne Dyson and others whose primary approach to
data collection consists in attentive listening to children. On
many counts, the way in which Tobin approaches research with
children is exemplary and inspiring. "Good guys
don't wear hats" has great utility as a
methodolgical tract, beyond the considerable wisdom it offers
about children's abilities to sort through the jumbled
messages that contemporary visual and media culture offers. It
is rare and refreshing to read a scholarly work infused with such
relish for time spent with groups of children, the kind of
three-dimensional kids who can be bratty, obnoxious, swaggering
and silly. At times, Tobin seems almost preternaturally tolerant
of whiny recitations, incoherence and evasions. I did wonder,
from time to time, how this text might be read by folks who are
unaccustomed to living among children and not predisposed to
recognize the inherent virtues lurking beneath the snotty
facades. And yet, it is Tobin's willingness to take the
inconsistencies and elisions in children's conversations
seriously, to look at these passages again and then again from
different perspectives, applying different sets of assumptions,
that truly set this work apart.
Tobin explains that he prefers the
focus group format used in this research (and, in a modified
form, in the earlier work described in Preschool in Three
Cultures: Japan, China, and the United States, by Tobin, Wu
& Davidson, 1989) to the practice of eavesdropping on
children's naturally occurring conversations. As Tobin
points out, the candor of such overheard conversations may be
compromised in indefinable ways by the presence of an adult
lurking nearby. In the focus group, the researcher's
presence and participation are explicitly acknowledged, his
interest in what informants have to say admitted from the start.
At several points in the text, however, it is clear that Tobin
and his colleagues, in their role as researchers, did influence
the tone, if not the tenor, of children's responses. He
describes a kind of whiny sing-song recitation that children
adopt when they are telling the adult in the room what they
presume that adult wants to hear. Tobin seizes upon this
intonation as a child's ironic comment on the insincerity
of his or her response, indicating an awareness that the answer
provided constitutes a strategic deception, designed to preserve
access to materials which no self-respecting child would admit to
recognizing as potentially harmful. Children also resisted his
efforts to understand their readings of these films, Tobin
suggests, "by saying things I did not understand":
In this book you will find
children saying things that are stranger and less coherent than
the quotes you will find in the work of other media researchers.
This is in part a result of the criteria I employed as I selected
key passages to analyze for each chapter. The incomprehensible
statements made by child informants that end up on the cutting
room floor in other researchers' studies are precisely the
statements I seize on and foreground in my research. (p.
10)
Tobin's approach to the
interpretation of these puzzling remarks draws upon an idea
common to studies in anthropology, psychoanalysis, and literary
theory, "the idea of analyzing moments in the flow of my
informants' talk that reveal slippages or doublings of
meaning" (Tobin, 2000, p. 12). He explains the
process:
To look awry at a section of
interview transcript, I begin by locating key clues or symptoms,
or what deconstructionist literary theorists call aporia,
sites of doubt or perplexity where the apparent coherence of the
text can be unravelled. . . .the slightly odd but unspectacular
sorts of comments that even a skilled textual interpreter at
first might overlook. But the more we think about these
comments, the stranger they become. (p. 14)
This is akin to Gareth
Matthews' (1980) suggestion that rewarding philsophical
discussions with children might begin with the places in a story
or film where they laughed, gasped, or made some other audible
(or visible) response. In this case, however, the recognition of
children's heightened response frequently occurs long
after the conversations ended, as videotapes are replayed and
transcriptions reviewed, and the researcher recognizes, retraces,
and reconsiders conversational turns which may well have seemed
unremarkable at the time they occurred. Tobin focuses on moments
that others living with children—in parental, pedagogical,
or research relationships—might just as easily gloss over
and discount with no more than a shake to clear the head. He
pays particular attention to comments, gestures, expressions,
announcements that simply don't make sense, digging in
rather than dismissing the vagaries of children's
conversations. Tobin reflects on the ways these odd turns of
phrase seem to invite interpretation: " I use these
comments about hats, horses, and houses as clues to a world of
values and meanings based on a dichotomy of good guys, who have
families, nice clothes, nice homes, and domesticated animals and
bad guys, who are nomadic, hat-wearing, shirtless men who
don't have women, children, or animals, and want what is
not theirs" (2000, p. 14).
Taking such comments as starting
points, Tobin provides a stunning demonstration of an approach to
research that acknowledges the perspectival nature of all
knowing, the contingency of any interpretation. He subjects the
same few bits of transcribed videotape to repeated readings,
modelling patience, persistence, and the kind of careful
phenomenological thought experiments recommended by Speigelberg
(1982) and others. As exhaustive as Tobin's analyses seem,
and are, they remain provisional. With the end of each chapter,
the conclusion of a discussion of a topic such as imitative
violence or gendered perfomance or race or colonialism, I found
the impulse to generate alternative solutions almost
irresistible. This is a work that invites continued
dialogue.
Discussing his own emergent
interest in media studies in the early 90s, and his introduction
to the work of British researchers, David Buckingham and Julian
Sefton-Green, Tobin describes media education in Britain as a
more mature and sensible science than it appears to be in
translation: "When it makes it into the American
elementary school, media education is taught, along with sex and
drug education, as a curriculum of prevention rather than
appreciation" (2000, p. 5). This emphasis on a robust
approach to media studies is especially provocative in view of
recent debates within the field of art education about the status
of visual culture and its relationship to art education: Are we
to condemn or applaud the everyday infusion of images and
artifacts emerging from every imaginable source? Are we to
simply acknowledge the unprocessed bounty of visual culture, or
is it our responsibility to move this ubiquitous aspect of
students' experience to the center of the curriculum?
Shall we approach the study of visual culture as a
"curriculum of prevention" or one of appreciation,
informed by critique? Tobin's book is suggestive in this
regard.
Yet Tobin's questions to the
children who serve as his informants focus almost exclusively
upon issues of content and meaning. Only one attempt was
reported (though perhaps others were made) to encourage children
participating in focus groups to discuss the technical and
aesthetic dimensions of films. In this instance, Lacey quickly
squelched the inquiry, implying that, because they were not
filmmakers but children, the framing of scenes was none of their
concern: They could not be expected to know how or why such
things might be done. Tobin does not stop to examine this
incident in detail (and perhaps the larger point of the exercise
carried out in Tobin's book is that others will find
different questions, and draw different conclusions). Was this
was a chance remark from a girl who was clearly feeling flippant
and a tad belligerent at the moment and thus an assertion that
tells us very little about kids' reception of media, or
could it be that children find film so mysterious that they are
unable to fathom the kinds of decisions that are and must be made
in its production? Do they believe that film simply records an
ongoing reality, a play or an action occurring in time, that
films, like snapshots, are "taken" rather than
"made"? Are there parallels we might discern in
children's conversations about media they experience more
directly as creators, paintings, drawings, plays, or songs?
Could we find out more about children's understandings of
painted or photographed or sculpted images or recorded music if
we were to engage more frequently in discussions such as these,
our conversations inspired by direct experience and proceeding
with no agenda beyond the desire to understand how children make
sense of the objects and images before them?
A smattering of drawings is
included in the book, the result of Tobin's request that
two classes which participated in the interviews draw their
favorite scene from the movie. Tobin acknowledges that asking
the children to make drawings was a bit of an after thought, and
their inclusion in the book is primarily illustrative. It is a
temptation difficult to resist to interpret a child's
drawing too quickly and too summarily, and Tobin succumbs a bit
here.
(From Tobin,
Figure 5.2.) The four good guys, on the right side of the
picture, have bodies and faces. They are outnumbered by the bad
guys on the left side of the picture who are drawn as nearly
identical stick figures.
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For example, in this drawing of
the confrontation between good guys and bad, the difference in
detail lavished on the invading pirates, drawn swimming from
pirate ship to desert island, and the family awaiting their
arrival on shore is marked. But the simple, almost diagrammatic
forms used to represent the pirates may have as much to do with
the relative difficulty of drawing the motion swimming v.
the posture waiting as it does with the dehumanization of
the pirates in the artist's mind. Equally, this
discrepancy in styles of depiction may have to do, as Tobin
suggests, with the relatively large number of pirates in
comparison to the outnumbered settlers, or it could simply be
that the child who drew this image ran out of time as he reached
the invaders' side of the page. In any case, the schematic
representation of many figures engaged in some common cause is
relatively typical in young boy's drawings, and its use
here may have as much to do with strategy as it does with
substance. These alternative interpretations are very much in
the mode of Tobin's thought about children's cultural
productions. Tobin's recognition that drawings can provide
useful information about the ways in which children construct
meaning (requiring at least as much careful multiple
interpretation as do their conversations) is welcome and
provocative.
Notes
1.
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2. The children's
participation in the varied roles of videographers are described
in essays coauthored by Tobin and Donna Grace in Making a
Place for Pleasure in Early Childhood Education (1997),
edited by Joseph Tobin, and in The Arts in Children's
Education: Context, Culture, and Curriculum
(2002), edited by Liora Bresler and
Christine Marme´ Thompson.
References
Grace, D. & Tobin, J.
(1997). Carnival in the classroom: Elementary students making
videos. In J. Tobin (Ed.), Making a place for pleasure
in early childhood education (pp. 159-187). New Haven: Yale
University Press.
Grace, D. & Tobin, J.
(2002). Pleasure, creativity, and the carnivalesque in
children's video production. In L. Bresler & C.
Marme´ Thompson (Eds.), The arts in children's
education (pp. 195-214). Dordrecht, The Netherlands:
Kluwer Academic Press.
Matthews, G. B. (1980).
Philosophy and the young child. Cambridge, MA: Harvard
University Press.
Speigelberg, H. (1982). The
phenomenological movement (3rd edition, K.
Shuhman, Ed.). The Hague: Nijhoff.
Tobin, J., Wu, D., & Davidson,
D. (1989). Preschool in three cultures: Japan, China, and
the United States. New Haven: Yale University
Press.
About the
Author
Christine Marme´
Thompson
The Pennsylvania State
University
Christine Marme´ Thompson is an Associate Professor of Art Education at The
Pennsylvania State University where she teaches undergraduate and graduate
courses in child art and pedagogy and serves as Professor in Charge of
graduate programs in art education. She joined the faculty at Penn State in
the fall of 2001 after 16 years of teaching at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign where she chaired the art education program from 1995 to
2001. Her current research focuses on art and art education in the early
childhood years, with particular emphasis on unsolicited drawings as
elements of children's culture. She is coeditor, with Liora Bresler, of
The
Arts in Children's Education: Context, Culture, and Curriculum, an
anthology published in 2002 by Kluwer Academic Press.
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